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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.18 21:28:34 -
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..and it favors high skill toons who already have most predecessor skills injected.
What I mean is this....
Now that we have this awesome shiny unlimited skill queue, why the frack am I still prevented from injecting a skill because I don't have its predecessor trained to a particular level?
I should be able to inject any skill and put it in the skill queue at any time, and the only restriction be that I can't actually start training a successor skill until the requisite is met. If someone does puts an invalid skill in the queue without a predecessor trained in front of it, it just freezes their skill queue when that point is reached...done.
But don't block me from injecting said successor or loading it into the shiny new 'unlimited' skill queue. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of an unlimited skill queue amiright?
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.19 14:26:18 -
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An 'unlimited' skill queue without being able to also pre-inject and load successor skills, is kind of like putting a nuclear submarine into service and extolling its virtues of not having to surface for six months, but then turning around and telling the captain he still has to surface his boat every day like an old diesel sub 'because'...
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.19 17:05:06 -
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What the mental midgets are failing to understand, is no one is proposing an injected successor skill actually be trainable until it meets its pre-req. If the queue runs into a skill that doesn't have its pre-req, it just stops...or skips over that skill.
What is stupid is having an unlimited skill queue that is not unlimited..based on the need to wait until a pre-req is trained before you can simply inject the successor skill and load it into the queue.
Here's an example. Someone in the armed forces (protecting your goddamned way of life by putting his bawls on the line) cannot log into EvE for a full two month period while on deployment in the suck. They have paid for their account, been told a shiny new 'unlimited skill queue' has now been rolled out, yet they STILL can't load said queue with all the skills needed to train a Damnation command ship...
...all because they can't inject and load the goddamned successor skills into said queue, because logging in every four or five days just to inject a skill and re-work the queue simply isn't possible.
tldr;
Don't be a d1ck. Support our troops. Support non-dependancy skill injection and queue loading.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.19 17:52:06 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:tldr;
Don't be a d1ck. Support our troops. Support non-dependancy skill injection and queue loading.
F You lost any hope of my support when you decided to make your platform "Either you're with me or against our troops." Additionally, pasting "support our troops" onto something does not automatically make it good. Moreover, someone disagreeing with you does not mean they don't understand your point; it simply means they disagree with you. I don't know if they teach you anything in Basic Training other than how to make your bed, use a weapon and follow orders, but it is possible for people who aren't you to have an IQ of over 6 and still not agree with or like what you're saying. Now get the hell out.
Tell me cupcake, what compelling gameplay is involved in keeping the skill queue loading tied to dependancies? Im not talking about removing skill planning (which some sick fux consider fun), or bypassing predecessors for actual skill training, but the physical act of being forced to log in as soon as a predecessor skill finishes, to just immediately inject and load its successor into a queue that has been recently re-invented and marketed by CCP as 'unlimited'?
So tell me, compelling gameplay how?
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.19 18:13:45 -
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Wolf Incaelum wrote:... If there is a skill that you want to queue, but aren't allowed to because it's prerequisites aren't fulfilled, it isn't that hard to pay attention to your queue and inject what ever skill you're waiting for as soon as the prerequisite skills have been trained. Just check your queue every once in a while. As soon as you finish training the prerequisites, inject the skill you are waiting for and put it at the top of the queue. How much easier does it need to be?
Again, tell me. How is being forced to log in just to inject a successor skill and add it to the queue immediately after a predecessor skill finishes compelling gameplay?
Wait, you mean I still need to load 'another' skill (that I really dont want to train right now) after the predecessor finishes, so that while I am sleeping (or out of the country) I am still training 'something', until I can log in again to inject the actual skill I want to be training?
But wait, wasn't that what this new unlimited duration queue was trying to FIX, in getting away from twitch-based skill queue management?
Remember, I am NOT saying remove the actual skill training dependancy; even if a successor is loaded in the queue, if its predecessor hasn't completed yet it WOULD NOT TRAIN...it would skip, or pause the queue. NOTHING in this proposal changes skill planning, or the need to manage your skill plan or queue -- it just removes having to inject successor skills and load them in a twitch-based manner, which is EXACTLY what CCP was trying to move away from with the unlimited queue in the first place...
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
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Posted - 2014.11.19 18:38:12 -
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Jackson Apollo wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Tell me brainiacs, how does what I propose not align to what CCP Seagul herself said???
Sure thats a "good" excuse for posting your suggestion, but CCP Seagul's point is already fixed with the queue as is.
Not if people are still twitch-managing their skill queues or forced to load 'filler' skills it isn't.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
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Posted - 2014.11.19 20:55:20 -
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Still waiting for someone to tell me how twitch-managing skill injections is compelling gameplay, in contrast to CCP Seagul's stated goal combined with the recent release of unlimited skill queue durations...
"To help people temporarily lacking access to an EVE client and generally remove annoyance, in Phoebe you will be able to construct and start training skill queues of unlimited time length." -- CCP Seagul
So obviously that change was implemented to appease 'whiners' right, and wasn't welcomed at all? Laughable.
Someone explain to me how continued twitch-management of injecting successors and filling a queue with 'filler' skills between a predecessor and dependant successor skill is compelling EvE gameplay, and I will let this rest.
Until then, bad mechanic is bad. Period.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
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Posted - 2014.11.19 21:34:46 -
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The rollout of the unlimited duration queue invalidates any argument against loading long duration queues, people can do that already now. CCP did it. Its here.
Skill queues are no longer being used as a bullwhip to make people log in every 24 hours. Let that sink in first.
Then re-read Seaguls driver for recent changes, and what I propose..
"To help people temporarily lacking access to an EVE client and generally remove annoyance..."
So here we already now have an unlimited duration skill queue, that already lets people load it up with a years worth of skills, but you guys are nitpicking because I want to change said 1 year load from FILLER skills between predecessors and successors, with skills actually desired by the player as priority '1'?
That is a bad mechanic. Period.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:57:02 -
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Ceawlin Cobon-Han wrote:
You're embarassingly poor-quality trolling hasn't moved me in the least. However, for the vanishingly small chance that you're being serious, I'll point out your obsessive refusal to acknowledge the difference between what skills are currently in your head and actuallty training them. If you have no skill in frigate you cannot fly the frigate; you need to train it. You cannot train any T2 frigate until you have trained frigate to 5; your mind will not be able to understand how to. There's no point picking up the book as it won't make any sense without the prerequisite learning; you would not be able to absorb (inject) the information in the book, let alone put it into practice (training).
As for your military connection: no army with any level of competence would even list a man for field duty without his passing first basic training.
I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself that I am only talking about removing the queue load dependancy, not the actual training dependancy.
But hey, lets use your own remedial example...
Lets say said 'basic training' is composed of two courses, which must be done in order...
- physical training (1 month), followed by...
- hand-to-hand combat (2 weeks)
You (and todays EvE queue) is saying the training planner or platoon leader simply cannot put the dates for hand-to-hand combat training up on the platoon bulletin board and schedule the h-to-h classes, until the platoon physically finishes its physical training course first.
Then, when the PT course ends, and the platoon leader finds himself down with the flu and off base, the entire platoon sits idle for 3 days, until he can drag arse onto the base and pin the h-to-h course dates on the bulletin board for them to start.
No one is saying they can start h-to-h before finishing PT, we are just saying let the damned planner put the f#$)(#ing course on the bulletin board & schedule!
F#P($#*)(!
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